Author: wes-mcelroy

Columns like this shouldn’t have to be written anymore. 

Yet they are.

Articles about the lack of African-American head coaches in professional and college sports should be a subject of the past.  Unfortunately, they aren’t.

The Indianapolis Colts (www.colts.com) winning a Super Bowl (www.nfl.com) should be more about Tony Dungy finally capturing the Lombardi Trophy rather than the color of his skin. 

Nothing against Tony Dungy’s achievement, but it shouldn’t have taken this long for a African-American head coach to win the Super Bowl.

February marks National Black History Month and wouldn’t it be nice if the issues of quotas, ratios, and the Rooney Rule were just that—history.

Out of the monumental matchup of Chicago head coach Lovie Smith and Dungy in Super Bowl XLI, the NFL’s Rooney Rule was a highly debated topic in the two weeks leading up to it.

“I don’t know that there’s a glass ceiling,” Dungy told ABC Sports Radio. “Lovie and I are just proof, the results of people getting an opportunity.  It’s been so difficult for African Americans in a lot of venues to get opportunities. Professional football is one of them.”

The Rooney Rule, adapted in 2002 and named after its advocator, Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney, requires NFL teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching positions. The rule is not applicable to front office openings.   

The rule has been met with skepticism by all races because of a general perception that as long as owners bring in at least one (because they are forced too) minority for an interview, then they’ve met their quota.

This controversial practice was needed in the league not only for the lack of minority hirings but also the limited number of interviews offered. 

In 2003, the Detroit Lions management and ownership were fined $200,000 for their immediate hire of Steve Mariucci and failure to comply with the league mandate. 

Since then owners have stuck to the Rooney Rule, which has aided in such hirings as Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh by Rooney, Smith in Chicago, and Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati.  Kansas City’s Herman Edwards is the other current black head coach in the NFL. Dennis Green was fired in Arizona and Art Shell, the first black head coach in the history of the NFL, was recently fired in his second go around with the Oakland Raiders. 

Prior to Shell in 1989, the NFL went 68 years without an African-American head coach.
Branching off the debate at the professional level, the spotlight has shifted to the collegiate level where, shockingly, only six of the 119 Division I head football coaching positions are filled by African Americans. Tyrone Willingham (Washington), Randy Shannon (Miami), Sylvester Croom (Mississippi State), Karl Dorrell (UCLA), Turner Gill (Buffalo), and former Virginia offensive coordinator Ron Prince, now at Kansas State, compile the short list. 

Eye opening? Indeed.

In April 2005, Virginia made head basketball coach Dave Leitao its first African- American head coach in the school’s history.

What if there were to be a Rooney Rule in college football?

Should there be a Rooney Rule at all?  No. 

Is it necessary? Yes, and it’s a damn shame it is.

It would be nice to live in a world where “quotas” don’t need to be met. Unfortunately, this world hasn’t matured to that level of thinking where everyone, no matter what skin color, is on a level playing field.

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Three weeks ago while listening to Cal Ripken, Jr. and Tony Gwynn speak of becoming the newest inductees into the Baseball Hall of Fame (www.baseballhalloffame.org), I wondered about the feeling that comes with that monumental phone call.

My inability to grasp what getting such a call would be like reminded me of the line Brad Pitt’s character used in Meet Joe Black to describe death. “Multiply it by infinity, and take it to the depth of forever, and you will still have barely a glimpse of what I’m talking about.”

Under 300 people know that indescribable feeling.

Currently, there are 280 individuals elected to Cooperstown, including 227 players, 17 managers, eight umpires, and 28 builders, executives and organizers.

"It’s still somewhat overwhelming really," former Chicago Cubs star Ryne Sandburg says of being elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

One of them is the longtime Chicago Cubs second baseman Ryne Sandberg.

“There’s 62 living Hall of Famers, it’s very elite.  It’s very cool,” said Sandberg, who recently visited Charlottesville for the University of Virginia’s Step Up to the Plate dinner. “I was just a kid, who played in the front yard, played on the street corners, and I played Little League.  All I wanted to do was play and see how good I could be.  Everything else just happened.”

Sixteen seasons, all but one in Philadelphia, nine Gold Gloves, a National League MVP, and a 10-time All Star—all just “happened”.

“There’s been some relief there,” said Sandberg.  “For two years, it seemed like every time I’d run into fans, and there are a lot of Cubs fans and baseball fans in the Midwest, they’d say, ‘You should be in the Hall’ and ‘Good luck getting into the HOF.’”

“I think it’s the greatest honor in all of sports, the Baseball Hall of Fame. It’s still somewhat overwhelming really.  I went last year, my second year, in the HOF, and I was around the guys,” Sandberg pauses. “Still, like a big fan of theirs…walking around…seeing a lot of them and sometimes forgetting I’m now on their team.  So maybe that will never sink in.”

Sandberg’s message at the Virginia function wasn’t about making the Hall of Fame but rather making the most of everything that comes these Virginia ballplayers’ way.

“It’s just a great opportunity not to just get a great education but to play baseball at this level.  I think they have a tremendous league [the Atlantic Coast Conference] and a player that can stand out in this league is headed to the pros.”

Sandberg’s knowledge of talent will lead him this spring to his next career as manager of the Single A Peoria Chiefs. “I’m looking forward to that,” said Sandberg.  “It’s just something that came my way. The Cubs presented it to me and I thought that might be something I’d like to do right now.  So the timing was perfect.”

Perfect?  Nothing ever is.  But for Sandberg, his life with baseball was darn close.

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I’m not at the Super Bowl (www.nfl.com).

I may be the only sports writer in America not at Media Day five days before the big event.

ESPN is there.  So are Sports Illustrated and Fox Sports along with all the major networks.   You’ll see that weasel Pat O’Brien asking stuff for Access Hollywood. Even those little pains in the butt from Nickelodeon are there!

Not me. C-VILLE decided not to pick up the tab this year (some issue with me, a large bar bill, and an expense report from last year’s bowl game).

Peyton Manning’s smooth road to the Super Bowl contrasts sharply with the Cowboys’ bumbling quarterback Tony Romo, and the unsure hands of the Patriots’ Reche Caldwell.

So in protest I refuse to talk about the Colts and the Bears.  While Chicago head coach Lovie Smith and Indianapolis colleague Tony Dungy become the first black head coaches ever in a Super Bowl, I choose to ignore the historical relevance.

Nevermind that the NFL’s golden boy Peyton Manning got the “Monkeys” named Brady and Bill off his back, and don’t even think I’m going down the path of “with a win is Brian Urlacher placed into the lineup of greatest linebackers ever” debate.

Let’s talk about teams that are like me…not there.  The teams that “could-a, would-a, and should-a been there”…like me.  (Are you getting the idea, that I’d rather be on South Beach than Barracks Road?)

Sure the Colts and the Bears earned it, they deserve it, and they were the teams that fought blah, blah, blah!!!!!! 

How about the teams that fate turned its ugly rear on?

What happens if Tony Romo doesn’t let that snap slip through his fingers on the potential game-winning field goal in Seattle on Wild Card weekend?  What happens if Jordan Babineaux doesn’t pursue and make that tackle of Romo on the one-yard line? 

Could the Cowboys have pulled the upset the Seahawks failed to do?  Would it have made Bill Parcells stay?  Way to go Romo, you ruined the Cowboys!

The “what ifs” were so emotionally bitter cold for some teams this playoff season it would’ve made Minsk seem balmy.

What could have been if Philadelphia’s replacement offensive guard Scott Young doesn’t move early on a fourth and 10 completion from Jeff Garcia to Hank Baskett? Instead, Eagles head coach Andy Reid freezes, deciding to punt with 1:56 left and two timeouts and the Birds never see the ball again.

The next day, in San Diego, the Chargers yak up five different opportunities to bury New England including a certain Bolts interception of Brady that gets fumbled right back to the Patriots.   If San Diego wins, they host the AFC Championship and maybe the Colts aren’t that lucky this time around?

Then again, fate did turn nasty on New England when Reche Caldwell dropped a third quarter touchdown pass last weekend that my 4-week-old niece could have hauled in.

Yet this is reality. 

Super Bowl XLI will feature the Colts, who finally got over a hump so big it’s registered as a mountain, and the Bears will try to run to a Lombardi Trophy with former Virginia star Thomas Jones.

You won’t be seeing the Cowboys. Neither the Chargers nor the Birds. The Patriots aren’t there…and neither am I.

Prediction:  Colts 24 Bears 16.

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In the movie A Bronx Tale, Robert DeNiro informs his son, Calogero, that “there’s nothing worse  (in life) than wasted talent.”

That line always seems to ring in my head when seeing Atlanta Falcon (www.atlantafalcons.com) quarterback Matt Schaub holding a clipboard on an NFL sideline.

Now as a restricted free agent, there is a possibility that the onetime Cavalier could finally toe the line as a starter. 

Though he rarely leaves the bench, former Cavalier Matt Schaub has become the NFL’s most notable reserve quarterback because of his play and because of the Falcons’ reluctance to trade him.

“I am just looking for an opportunity to step on the field and play as a starter in this league and perform on a weekly basis,” says Schaub. “ I’ve had three years to grow and learn and observe Mike [Vick] and this league, as a whole, and now, I am excited, hopefully, to get a chance and play somewhere whether it be in Atlanta or somewhere else. I just want an opportunity and that’s all I can ask for.”

Schaub, the 27th pick of the third round in 2004, is free to sign a contract with another team. However, the Falcons have the ability to match that team’s offer or be compensated with draft picks or cash.

“There’s a lot of good football teams out there and I’d just like to be part of one,” says Schaub.

The former Virginia quarterback has spent the past three seasons as Vick’s understudy. During his time, Schaub has thrown for six touchdowns and as many interceptions in his reserve role, most recently in this season’s finale in Philadelphia. He’s become the league’s most notable reserve quarterback over the past 24 months because of his play and because of the Falcons’ reluctance to trade him due to Vick’s health and erratic play.

Now with the need for starting quarterbacks in such cities as Minneapolis and Oakland, it remains to be seen if Schaub stays in Atlanta and receives a higher task under recently named head coach Bobby Petrino.

“Well, we’re excited he’s a great offensive mind,” says Schaub of the head coach, who just led Louisville to a Big East title and win over Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl. “Great with quarterbacks, just look at his track record. He’s been in the NFL before and produced a good offense in Jacksonville. Since he’s been at Louisville, he’s been a proven winner.”

Otherwise, where might Schaub go? Is this the off-season that Schaub looks out for himself and a potential career above all else?

“Yeah I think so,” he says. “Having three good years under my belt, I think it is time I do get an opportunity. I’m ready for that opportunity wherever it might be to get out on that field and play.”

Wasted talent?

“I’m not going to sit here and say all the things I can and cannot do or that I am going to do because it’s not played out yet. I just want the opportunity to go out, be the quarterback and lead my team and lead a group of men on the practice field and then on the game field and show what I can do week in and week out.”

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The identity of Dave Leitao’s first Virginia team was a scrappy, understaffed crew that had no fan expectations.  The team had a few surprise wins and even managed to make a postseason tournament in the N.I.T.

So what is this year’s team identity?
   
Don’t ask them.  They’re still trying to figure it out themselves.

Halfway into their season and entering into Atlantic Coast Conference play, Virginia is an erratic team.  You and I (and maybe even Leitao) really don’t know what version of this team will show up on the court from night to night.

ESPN analyst Dick Vitale says that with the wide-open ACC, the UVA men’s basketball team is "right in the mix"—as long as they’re consistent.

Do you get the intense defensive performance and lights-out shooting from the Cavalier team that buried Gonzaga 108-87?

Or the team that played in a lesser gear four days later in a 76-75 loss to Stanford?

Longtime ESPN analyst Dick Vitale has kept an eye on this team early on in this season.

“I think they’re exactly where I’d thought they’d be.  They’d have some shocking moments and same disappointing moments and I think that’s the case,” said Vitale.  “David Leitao has got a good back court. [Sean] Singletary was absolutely incredible against Gonzaga when he put 37 on the board and prior to that I caught the game on the tube and watched them beat an outstanding Arizona team.  They are two great wins but you got to come back and beat Stanford on your home floor.  That, to me, is a loss they’d like to have back but those things happen and now they’ve got to go steal a win somewhere.”

Keyword: somewhere.

With Virginia returning home Tuesday, where the Cavaliers have tallied an 8-1 record, to face ACC foe Maryland, it needs to be pointed out the majority of this team’s issues have flared up on the road. 

Struggle would be an understatement for this basketball team away from the John Paul Jones Arena.  Including last Wednesday’s 79-69 loss in Chapel Hill to North Carolina, the Cavaliers’ lone road win came in the seventh place game of the San Juan Shootout against Puerto Rico-Mayaguez in December.  Even that proved to be a seven point squeaker.

In his first year, Leitao’s only road wins came against Richmond and Virginia Tech. Prior to that in Pete Gillen’s final season, the team only salvaged a 2-9 road record
in 2004-05.

Six games still remain on the road, including North Carolina State and Clemson this month, and the last time I checked they don’t play a NCAA tournament game in Charlottesville this season.

So where does Virginia stack up in this conference?

“I think the middle’s wide open,” said Vitale.  “I think there’s so many teams so equal and there’s so much balance there.  Virginia’s right in the mix.  Virginia, Florida State, Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Georgia Tech—they could all beat each other.  Even Duke!  Duke, as we saw with Virginia Tech, Duke is no longer invincible.”

(Writers Note: Due to press time, this column was submitted before Virginia’s game at Boston College.)

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Before every Washington Redskins game Comcast Sports Net’s (www.comcastsportsnet.com) Kelli Johnson has the story. After each game, she gets the pertinent interviews, asking the tough questions. She is truly the quintessential beat reporter. Also an anchor on “Sports Rise” and “Sports Night,” Johnson, a former four-year, all-conference academic starter on the University of Idaho’s women’s basketball team, went into journalism because of her passion for sports. And that comes through in her reporting.

As a decorated former collegiate athlete, sports reporter Kelli Johnson knows how to get the postgame lowdown from players like Redskins safety Sean Taylor.

C-VILLE: Where did you first realize you wanted to pursue sports reporting?
Kelli Johnson: I kind of stumbled into it. I knew I wanted to be involved in sports somehow.

My cousin is a news anchor up in the Seattle area and her husband is a reporter as well, and I ended up getting an internship up in Seattle at one of the TV stations in their sports department and just loved it. I did it for a summer and worked out at the University of Washington. The next year, I did an internship at the NBC affiliate covering, doing things every night, around the postgame of the Mariners, doing some stuff with the Seahawks. It just seemed like a great way to still be around the game.

Did you ever consider trying to play basketball at the next level?
Actually my senior year, I had a resumé tape for basketball and a resumé tape
for broadcast.

So I was sending tapes out around the league and had some invites to come try out with a number of teams.

Then I got my first job offer in TV a month after I graduated, so it was TV. I was always told the first job in TV is the toughest to get, so when you get that opportunity, you kind of got to grab it. I went with it, but sometimes I regret not playing basketball a little bit longer.

You grew up in Idaho where there are no pro sports teams. Who was your team?
My favorite baseball team growing up was the St. Louis Cardinals, and Ozzie Smith, my all-time favorite player. When you’re a little kid and you see a shortstop go out and do the flips onto the field, you kind of get drawn to that, and I became a fan of the Cardinals and Whitey [Herzog] Ball.

What’s the single sporting event that you want to cover but haven’t?
So I guess I’d have to say the Super Bowl. I last covered the Rams when they went to the Super Bowl the second time around, but I didn’t actually get to go to New Orleans with the team. I was the “fortunate” member of our staff that had to stay back and hold the fort down, so I think it would be covering the Super Bowl.

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How will you remember the year in sports? Which story will stick?

Blood, sweat and tears: Well, maybe not the blood, but after losing The Masters and his father, coach and mentor, Earl Woods, to cancer, Tiger Woods captured The British Open title and our hearts all over again with his emotional breakdown.

Was it the classic game of the year? The Rose Bowl National Championship between Texas and USC? Ohio State vs. Michigan? Or the night the Los Angeles Dodgers hit back-to-back-to-back-to-back homeruns in the ninth just to tie the San Diego Padres?

Which left you scratching your head more? Trying to figure out if Floyd Landis’ beer caused him to test positive or if Mike Vanderjagt missed that field goal just to put the screws to Peyton Manning?

What sound will echo louder in your head? Dennis Green freaking out after a Monday night collapse in the desert, Michael Strahan trying to show up a female reporter or Terrell Owens’ publicist telling the world he has $25 million reasons not to kill himself?

Which underdog captured your heart? Wake Forest finding themselves in the BCS? The Detroit Tigers being the boys of summer? Or was it George Mason making the greatest run in college basketball history?

Who got taken too young? Army women’s basketball coach Maggie Dixon or Miami defensive end Bryan Pata? (Answer: Both.)
   
Locally, who had you talking the next morning in the office? Was it Dave Leitao turning an apathetic basketball environment around? A dreadful Cavaliers football season? Michael Buffer opening the John Paul Jones Arena? Dom Starsia’s perfect lacrosse season and national championship or Sean Doolittle stopping soon-to-be Major Leaguer Andrew Miller on a spring night at Davenport Field?

Which new kid on the block turned your head? Minnesota Twin Francisco Liriano, Detroit Tiger Justin Verlander, or Chicago Bear Devin Hester?

When did your American blood get most boiled? Watching our baseball team get embarrassed in the World Baseball Classic? Watching our basketball team get embarrassed in the Olympic qualifiers? Or watching our golfers get embarrassed in the Ryder Cup?

Which moment made you cringe more? Zinedine Zidane’s head butt, the Duke lacrosse scandal or the Washington Redskins doing anything?

Who got stronger as their year went on? Vince Young, Tony Romo or Alfonso Soriano?
Who brought the larger tear to your eye? Jerome Bettis going out, having finally gotten his ring? The New Orleans Saints’ welcome-home party in September? Tiger Woods missing his dad on the final hole of the British Open? 

Hard to believe, but we learn it again every year: These headlines that leave us momentarily shocked, stunned or dismayed, only become afterthoughts in the passing weeks.

Hope your new year is more than an afterthought. Have a happy one.

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Flying high now: Local jouster Jimmy Lange is garnering quite a following and even attracted the great Angelo Dundee (coach to Muhammad Ali and George Foreman) to his corner.

Tonight, there’s boxing. No glitz and bright lights of Las Vegas but rather a ring in the middle of a three-quarters filled Patriot Center in Fairfax. Michael Buffer will not be booming out introductions. Instead we have ring announcer Henry “Discombobulating” Jones. This isn’t prize fighting on pay-per-view. It’s raw boxing between men who want their shot or had their chance and are hanging on to a left hook and a dream.

Tonight there’s one belt on the line when Virginia’s own Jimmy Lange will face Fontaine Cabell for the vacant WBC Continental Americas Super Welterweight title. For the others like Reggie “Concrete” LaCrete and Jamie “The Punisher” Palma, there are not belts, but eyes. The eyes of Jackie Kallen, who managed the career of James “Lights Out” Toney. Kallen led Toney to the world WBA middleweight title and was later portrayed by Meg Ryan in the movie Against the Ropes.

There are the eyes of Tommy Gallagher behind his trademark sunglasses and hat.
“This is the best,” says Gallagher, who has been a pivotal fixture in Sylvester Stallone and Sugar Ray Leonard’s “The Contender” TV boxing reality show. “This local stuff is the best. You got to come here before you can go anywhere else so you get to see everybody at the grass roots level, which is the best. It’s about guys who have a dream. It’s guys that don’t want to look back and say, ‘Why didn’t I finish doing what I wanted to do?’”

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Standing in the corner of the fighter’s entrance, trying to avoid attention, but at the same time always being the center of it, is the great Angelo Dundee, who served this evening as cornerman to Lange.

Dundee’s career helped mold those of Muhammad Ali, George Foreman and Leonard, and to be under his tutelage is a blessing from the gods of boxing. “He was real excited,” said Lange of Dundee’s wanting to work with him. “Probably not as excited as I was, but he was all about working with me and of course I’m all about working with him. It was just kind of an easy fit there. Kind of a fortunate situation.”

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In comparison to areas such as the Bronx or Philadelphia, it is hard to think of Virginia as a hot spot for local boxing. “I’m thrilled with the reception of the fans. This is a great area. I’ve been coming to Washington for a million years,” added Dundee, of the Commonwealth that has produced such talent as Pernell “Sweet Pea” Whitaker. “This kid Jimmy Lange is one of those kids who gets the people excited. There were people in those seats tonight. Isn’t that nice?”

It is nice. Nice, indeed, for a sport that once shared the NFL-level popularity and now has fallen beyond the shadows due in part to national ridicule on safety issues and the lack of popular heavyweights.

Tonight’s not about a popularity contest, it’s about a chance. “You get a chance to see what these guys are all about,” said Gallagher. “They’re not thugs. You see that they have a family. They do this not just to get out and pound the shit out of each other. They do this because it’s their job! They just are men who happen to be fighters.”

Whether it be a chance to win, to fight again, to capture a belt, or just pay the
rent. Tonight’s about boxing. Tonight’s about a chance.

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Ask any UVA basketball fan who the dynamic duo is and they’ll likely tell you Sean Singletary and J.R. Reynolds. Rightfully so. But give those fine people a heads up on the emerging triple threat of Sharneé Zoll, Brenna McGuire and freshman Monica Wright.

Nine games into her 30th year as head coach of UVA women’s basketball, Debbie Ryan is noticing that her freshman addition has increased the game of two veterans. Wright (along with Aisha Mohammed, who is out for the season with a preseason injury) was a prized recruit.

Freshmen Monica Wright was named ACC Rookie of the Week after nabbing 26 points in a 71-65 win over Temple and 15 points in an 85-66 win over Seton Hall.

In postgame comments following the team’s December 2 win over Seton Hall, Ryan said, “Monica adds so much athleticism, and she can actually pass the ball as well. So Monica actually finds Brenna a lot when Brenna’s really comfortable shooting. Monica really looks for her.”

Ryan acknowledged that Wright’s passing can often be low and needs a little work, but said that as she gets more comfortable and better with her balance, she’ll be really good at finding Brenna. “Then Monica could guard some of the better players,” said Ryan, which would take some pressure off of Zoll. “She [Monica] brings so much to the table that it helps both those players get a little bit of rest.”

Meanwhile, McGuire, coming off a 17-point night against the Pirates and 12 points the previous weekend against Central Florida, is still looking for consistency, but the connection with Wright appears to be growing. And Zoll, still posting the ACC’s best stats, looks to be playing at an even more aggressive level this season. That’s hard to believe considering that the junior from New Jersey is already known, nationwide, for her ferociousness. 

“When we run back on defense and I look at her eyes,” said Wright, “I feed off her eyes because it’s like there’s fire in her eyes.”

For Zoll, the feeling is mutual: “With all respect to my teammates, it’s a lot easier [this season] to know that you have someone behind you who is willing to do anything to get to it done,” said Zoll of Wright after the Seton Hall win. “The pace [of the game] gets faster and faster as Monica runs. She attacks the basket so quick, it forces the other team to get back on their heels and run and it makes it easier for me. Five steals [in the Seton Hall game]? She gets like 20 in practice. She’s so strong and fearless; once she gets acclimated to the college game even more, the better she’ll get. Kind of scary isn’t it?”

Zoll says she hopes to aid in Wright’s education as well as in that of the rest of her team. In doing so she seems to have taken on a new task this season. If you look at the bench, for the few moments Zoll’s on it, you can see a coach in the making.

“I think that’s exactly where Sharneé will end up is being a college coach as soon as her playing career is over,” said Ryan after the Seton Hall win. “When I lit into the group tonight…she was the good cop, I was the bad cop. She grabbed them after I had them in the huddle and reminded them how good they are and how they can do this and things like that. They needed to be coached and I coached them. But I was a little harsh and she picked them up and that’s the way we do things.”

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